{"id":210,"date":"2014-06-06T06:12:31","date_gmt":"2014-06-06T06:12:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.adlice.com\/?p=210"},"modified":"2022-12-21T10:40:01","modified_gmt":"2022-12-21T10:40:01","slug":"dear-antivirus-dont-like","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/de\/dear-antivirus-dont-like\/","title":{"rendered":"Dear Antivirus, Why don&#8217;t you like me ?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h4 class=\"has-accent-color has-text-color wp-block-heading\">How to destroy small developers<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Starting with RogueKiller V9, we have a lot of issues with some Antivirus vendors, <strong>flagging our software at every release<\/strong>. Not because it&#8217;s a malware, but because of their heuristics engine. And overall, because <strong>they really SUCK at whitelisting legit products<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>This is really annoying, let me explain why by simulating a RogueKiller release step by step:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>All starts with code changes, bugfixes, improvements. They are made and tested while the current version is still in use.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Then the new release is pushed online<\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>As this is a brand new binary, never seen before, <strong>AVs are informed automatically and they analyse (automatically) the sample<\/strong>. Good. Well, not good actually<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some antivirus may <strong>find some suspicious thing in RogueKiller<\/strong> (Yeah, that&#8217;s an antimalware with powerful search\/destroy features). That means their engine is pretty good actually. But that&#8217;s a false positive anyway.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>So RogueKiller is detected by them, and their database is updated and distributed to their customers. <strong>Which will complain to me that RogueKiller is detected<\/strong>. Bummer.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Starting here, not a big deal. I just submit a false positive form to the AV vendor. Here&#8217;s one of them:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Hello<br>Could you please remove detection from RogueKiller binary \/ website?<br>Please don&#8217;t whitelist by HASH, it changes very often<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s an antimalware tool known for 4 years now.<br>Website: https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/software\/roguekiller\/<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Direct links:<br>https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/softs\/roguekiller\/RogueKiller.exe<br>https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/softs\/roguekiller\/RogueKillerX64.exe<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Regards,<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>And here&#8217;s the answer:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>In relation to submission [3527357].<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Upon further analysis and investigation we have verified your submission and as such this detection will be removed from our products.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The updated detection will be distributed in the next set of virus definitions, available via LiveUpdate or from our website at http:\/\/Xxxx<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Decisions made by SXxxx are subject to change if alterations to the Software are made over time or as classification criteria and\/or the policy employed by SXxxx changes over time to address the evolving landscape.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you are a software vendor, why not take part in our whitelisting program?<br>To participate in this program, please complete the following form: https:\/\/Xxxxx<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Good, detection will be removed. I&#8217;m happy they made it.<\/strong> I do the same for other vendors (that maybe copied on some major AV vendors, mmmh?) and that&#8217;s ok. For now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"has-accent-color has-text-color wp-block-heading\"><br>10 days later&#8230;.<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><br>Let&#8217;s go for another release! We push the sample online, and here&#8217;s what happen:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Day 1:<\/strong> Everything is good, not detection<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Day 2:<\/strong> The SAME AV VENDORS DETECT US AGAIN!!! What the HECK?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Day 3:<\/strong> Other &#8220;copy cat&#8221; AV vendors detect us again, because they saw the detection of the previous vendors<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8230;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Day 5:<\/strong> After submitting forms (again), no more detection<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8230;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Day 10:<\/strong> New version, return to day one. Crazy.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>That&#8217;s the NeverEnding Story!!<\/strong><br>&nbsp;<br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/never3.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-211\" src=\"https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/never3.jpg\" alt=\"never3\" width=\"400\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/never3.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/never3-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Here&#8217;s a picture taken on day 5: <\/strong><br>&nbsp;<br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/vtu.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-213\" src=\"https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/vtu.png\" alt=\"vtu\" width=\"644\" height=\"379\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/vtu.png 644w, https:\/\/www.adlice.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/vtu-300x177.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 644px) 100vw, 644px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>I tried to tell them to change the method of whitelist, here&#8217;s the answer:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>In relation to submission [3526780].<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Regarding your question, we suggest you to do one of the following:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. Sign your files with Class-3 digital certificates (X.509) from a Certificate Authority<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. Submit your software to SXXxx\u2019s white-listing program:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>https:\/\/Sxxxxxxx<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ok guys, what you are telling me is that I have to PAY to gain access to your whitelist?<\/strong> Is that how it works?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For information, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sslshopper.com\/cheap-code-signing-certificates.html\">a Class-3 certificate costs about 300$\/year<\/a><\/strong>. Only medium\/big companies can pay such a &#8220;thing&#8221; (that&#8217;s a sort of private key to identify a pair company-software). <strong>The others are condemned to be flagged<\/strong> by the AV vendors because they are not trusted.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>EDIT: The second option is just a form to fill, at every release, to have the software whitelisted; <strong>It&#8217;s the same waste of time than with false positive forms<\/strong>. AVG gave us in the same time an <strong>FTP access to upload the binaries for every new release<\/strong>, that&#8217;s a lot better for us because it can be part of the compilation toolchain and <strong>doesn&#8217;t cost time<\/strong>. <strong>I wish the other vendor could do the same.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>The worst, it would be really easy to whitelist a software that changes very often by creating a rule based on company name, software name, and a few signatures taken inside the software (.pdb debug information, strings, etc&#8230; )<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Come on guys, I&#8217;m sure you can do better than telling software developers to buy a certificate.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We always rely on antiviruses to keep our machines safe and protected. 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